tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post264127650283321392..comments2024-02-07T00:23:34.835-07:00Comments on On Ruby: 'IP' Police Line -- Do Not Crossgnupatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10492341480170667775noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-66967924259187178842008-12-03T08:16:00.000-07:002008-12-03T08:16:00.000-07:00Patents, by their very nature, are a form a public...Patents, by their very nature, are a form a public documentation of an invention. You have to admire their inventiveness in packaging their patent portfolio as a reference book. You could get the same information for free by reading the patents, apparently.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the warning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-4692708436404571472008-05-30T14:55:00.000-07:002008-05-30T14:55:00.000-07:00Oh for god's sake people, just read whatever you l...Oh for god's sake people, just read whatever you like, eliminate any evidence you did so, and if asked about it - LIE!<BR/><BR/>It's not as if these people deserve respect or honesty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-84646290085868246952008-02-04T10:00:00.000-07:002008-02-04T10:00:00.000-07:00Yes, if you violate a patent you're unaware of, it...Yes, if you violate a patent you're unaware of, it's still a violation. However:<BR/><BR/>* Willful violation (violating a patent when you know it's a violation) is generally "rewarded" with stiffer penalties. As a developer, you want to stay as far the hell away from reading patents as possible.<BR/><BR/>* This book in question is (apparently) an introduction to patented ideas and algorithms -Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16878692095504962169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-19223154722394547292008-02-02T15:22:00.000-07:002008-02-02T15:22:00.000-07:00Anonymous, anyone could sue you for using a patent...Anonymous, anyone could sue you for using a patented idea whether the book you found it in contained a disclaimer or not. Actually, even if you came up with the idea on your own, they could still sue you.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17659001534221131143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-58168025580083445802008-02-02T11:27:00.000-07:002008-02-02T11:27:00.000-07:00Sounds alot like what Unisys did with GIF and the ...Sounds alot like what Unisys did with GIF and the patent that they had on LZW compression.<BR/><BR/>Though iirc Unisys waited till GIF format was being used mainstream and THEN extorted everyone.<BR/><BR/>Guess we'll have to wait till the patent expires for the book to be useful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-49232798680077088702008-02-02T10:42:00.000-07:002008-02-02T10:42:00.000-07:00I hope they didn't patent the idea that the whole ...I hope they didn't patent the idea that the whole book is covered by patents. Otherwise, even discussing that idea could get you in trouble.<BR/><BR/>I'm very glad you posted this blog, it might save several people $45, which we should instead donate to the EFF.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15799531836304162545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-12706870688489933812008-02-02T09:15:00.000-07:002008-02-02T09:15:00.000-07:00Patents aren't the same as trade secrets (particul...Patents aren't the same as trade secrets (particularly once the patent has been issued). Not reading the book once you've bought it is kind of a mistake; the patents (if issued and if valid and if etc) still apply, even if you don't know about them. You can still be sued for infringement if you happen to reinvent the same ideas. Sticking your head in the ground and hoping it'll go away is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-73244644338621261712008-02-01T22:01:00.000-07:002008-02-01T22:01:00.000-07:00Honestly, I doubt it matters if you read it or not...Honestly, I doubt it matters if you read it or not. If you implement their algorithm, they can sue you for infringement.<BR/><BR/>According to the <A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/#infringement" REL="nofollow">USPTO website</A>, any unauthorized making or selling of a patented invention is infringement. Ignorance of the patent doesn't appear to be a factor. I've also Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-22014149098483402182008-02-01T20:06:00.000-07:002008-02-01T20:06:00.000-07:00i too, would not read it. i am embarrassed to work...i too, would not read it. i am embarrassed to work for ibm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-78790178320931712162008-02-01T19:56:00.000-07:002008-02-01T19:56:00.000-07:00Of course, if you found a lucrative enough applica...Of course, if you found a lucrative enough application for the technology, you could host your website in a country that doesn't honor the patents...caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968757213843191873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-76222240477695496302008-02-01T19:40:00.000-07:002008-02-01T19:40:00.000-07:00That's very odd. One would think it would be ille...That's very odd. One would think it would be illegal or at the least unactionable to explain something in great detail in a book that you purchased like that and then say "But you can't use this" in a very discrete place in the introduction.Mr. Neighborlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02063939073935274480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-3029122464277975532008-02-01T18:43:00.000-07:002008-02-01T18:43:00.000-07:00IF they published the book any ideas in it that we...IF they published the book any ideas in it that were not already patented would have been made UNPATENTABLE by their public disclosure of them.<BR/>(sometimes they have 1 yr after public disclosure)<BR/><BR/>http://www.vivzizi.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-31938732336737893832008-02-01T17:06:00.000-07:002008-02-01T17:06:00.000-07:00I'd go on reading, and even use the knowledge. Alg...I'd go on reading, and even use the knowledge. Algorithms are not patentable here in .eu. <BR/><BR/>Hell, it would even be good that IBM have patented it, lessening my competition :DLinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219125306601680892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-73747905437022532242008-02-01T16:53:00.000-07:002008-02-01T16:53:00.000-07:00Good job chaosmotor, because it's not like this co...Good job chaosmotor, because it's not like this country is, you know, litigation happy or anythingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-62630035978539664442008-02-01T16:17:00.000-07:002008-02-01T16:17:00.000-07:00I suggest that the public completely ignore their ...I suggest that the public completely ignore their assinine claims and make whatever use of the data in that book they want. If they want to maintain control over the data, they should not publish it. Period. <BR/><BR/>In short, ignore the disclaimer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-53626204312873947562008-02-01T16:03:00.000-07:002008-02-01T16:03:00.000-07:00Wow. Just wow.If it were me I'd stop reading it. I...Wow. Just wow.<BR/><BR/>If it were me I'd stop reading it. I look forward to hearing what happens next.blowmagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03568175876382459120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-27188544942885825362008-02-01T16:01:00.000-07:002008-02-01T16:01:00.000-07:00"And then somehow, magically, if the reader used t..."And then somehow, magically, if the reader used the ideas to make significant money, IBM's fair share of that profit would be transferred to compensate the company for its foresight in investing and supporting our work over the years."<BR/><BR/>This already happens in the form of revenue from book sales. The 99.9% that buy the book and never make significant profits based on the ideas presentedBrennan Falknerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11501453237566361813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-7733597894247008882008-02-01T15:31:00.000-07:002008-02-01T15:31:00.000-07:00I think IBMs hope is people (companies) will licen...I think IBMs hope is people (companies) will license the patents. What they are saying is, "In this book you can learn about these techniques. Try them out and if you find there is commercial potential, call and ask for licensing information." No?Jeff Gortatowskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06360409795889416673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-35979576962963658942008-02-01T15:04:00.000-07:002008-02-01T15:04:00.000-07:00Screw "not reading it"; are you going to return it...Screw "not reading it"; are you going to return it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-54799813767534527072008-02-01T14:03:00.000-07:002008-02-01T14:03:00.000-07:00Gah, I need to say more, maybe I'll blog it, also....Gah, I need to say more, maybe I'll blog it, also. <BR/><BR/>Why did they even write the book then? it sounds like they expect someone to implement their ideas further for them, and share the profits? Honest to god are they that crazy? Do they really think what they have is so groundbreaking that they need to grasp onto it tightly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-10964045878374409252008-02-01T14:00:00.000-07:002008-02-01T14:00:00.000-07:00Ah, good to hear the Big Blue hasn't entirely chan...Ah, good to hear the Big Blue hasn't entirely changed over the path of lightness and good. ;) If nothing else, it can become a bad PR move.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-12698201850039982952008-02-01T13:00:00.000-07:002008-02-01T13:00:00.000-07:00Yeah, that's pretty bogus. The result is that it's...Yeah, that's pretty bogus. The result is that it's no longer a useful book -- instead, it's effectively just a sales brochure for a rather dubious business (software patents, that is).Matt Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12089291649428164242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24599054.post-26946422259926117222008-02-01T12:51:00.000-07:002008-02-01T12:51:00.000-07:00Apparently IBM has patented certain data mining al...Apparently IBM has patented certain data mining algorithms? Or they think they have...<BR/><BR/>At any rate, that's radioactive, I wouldn't want to continue reading it either. It would seem that the only viable audience for a book like this would be IBM employees.Just A. Developerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04470979700183087584noreply@blogger.com